Climbing Intensely Down

About this Episode

In this episode, we pay homage to adrenaline fueled, undercover police, “got a little too close,” action movies like Point Break, The Fast and the Furious, Terminal velocity, and more!

We play some fun improv games and somehow the “adrenaline activity” ends up being extreme slip ‘n sliding! 

Oh, and we completely mix-up the Charlie Sheen skydiving movie (Terminal Velocity) and the Wesley Snipes skydiving movie (Drop Zone). Whoops!

Links

Point Break on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Break

The Fast and Furious on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fast_and_the_Furious_(2001_film)

Terminal Velocity on Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Velocity_(film)

Drop Zone on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_Zone_(film)

Time Codes

Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 04:56

Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 11:34

Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 16:26

Start of show: 23:20

Improv Game - Scenes Without the Letter: 25:40

Improv Game - Gibberish Switch: 30:24

Improv Game - Questions Switch: 38:54

Improv Game - Cutting Room: 52:15

End of show, into announcements: 1:06:38

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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)

Avish Parashar: This brings us to segment one.

Avish Parashar: All right now we're gonna spend five minutes discussing the tropes commonalities and cliches of this genre i'm going to set my little duck timer here for five minutes hello, the duck timer and away we go all right Mike why don't you kick us off, especially since it's fresh.

Michael Worth: In your mind why don't know.

Michael Worth: As Bourbon fresh that can be um so the trump's of this particular genre is it's always a young, law enforcement officer in point break it was obviously.

Michael Worth: FBI and for terminal velocity I think it was FBI as well anyways The point is, there is a vexing series of crimes that happened that have some sort of.

Michael Worth: cool hiccup to them like either they are the criminals either dress funny or they break in and an interesting way and nobody can figure them out there, like super super professional and.

Michael Worth: one cup kind of notices something about them, that makes him think that they're not your typical criminals so that's kind of the the first trip is there's like some sort of.

Michael Worth: reveal like I think in terminal velocity like left behind, like some polymer and the polymer is that kind of stuff you'd use in a parachute or something like that you don't mean like.

Avish Parashar: yeah point break.

Avish Parashar: Just based on the schedule of the break ins are like we think these guys are running backs to fund their surfing habits.

Michael Worth: Right exactly and then one of them had a when they move the camera they have like a clear.

Michael Worth: surfing line like when they when they move the cameras.

Avish Parashar: yeah.

Michael Worth: So for 10 so that's the the big trope now what that means is that basically um the young COP has to go undercover into this adrenaline filled sport that these robbers are kind of engaged in.

Avish Parashar: yeah and he usually like he just gets in with one crew and then by chance that crew happens to be the criminals, but he doesn't know at first he just like trying to get into that world, so it looks up some people.

Avish Parashar: And then they think like oh this other gang is probably it, but then turns out that's not it like an employee goes red hot chili peppers wherever it.

Is.

Avish Parashar: it's.

Avish Parashar: A chili peppers right, I was like yeah this is Anthony kiedis and flee I don't know about the other two.

Michael Worth: yeah.

Avish Parashar: that's awesome so, then you get you get the sequences where he has to like prove his worth.

Avish Parashar: and learn kind of the.

Avish Parashar: drag racing the surfing skydiving whatever right.

Michael Worth: Right now, in point break and I think, also in terminal velocity the coach is usually the love interest.

Avish Parashar: I was like helping him, does he was like two people right there's like a mentor figure like a vin diesel and Patrick swayze.

Avish Parashar: yeah who's kind of mentoring to to be, but then yeah there's like someone who you're really green, let me teach you and that's like a love interest but, like a love interest the mentors like the head of the bad guys.

Michael Worth: yeah exactly so um now here's the question that I have for this kind of trope does the.

Michael Worth: Good guy witness a crime or is he already or does he become one of the criminals first look i'm trying to remember, if, like like.

Avish Parashar: hey go either way and that'll probably come out but yeah there's usually like a mid movie crime.

Avish Parashar: yeah that he's he's using involved in right maybe accidentally he doesn't want to be, but protect his cover or you know I think like.

Avish Parashar: You know the love interest.

Michael Worth: yeah I think.

Michael Worth: yep yep i'm like yeah that's what happens is you kind of perfectly gets involved he doesn't want to, but to keep his cover yes to kind of join up with it right.

Avish Parashar: yeah and there's always like the whole part I the whole point of this is that, even though he's undercover he starts to get drawn both the the activity, and especially to like the mentor like he really.

Avish Parashar: feels a connection there and see them as a friend like almost like families these very conflicted about like doing his job at stopping them versus like hey this has become my friend and buddy.

Michael Worth: I was gonna say that that's a big critical part is is he starts to kind of when he dances with monsters, and he becomes the master starts to look like you know, family and friends so exactly.

Michael Worth: um and then the final act now uh I didn't finish point break last second I fell asleep, but does the bad guy bad the shadow mentor or the bad guys.

Michael Worth: up the ante and F3 forcing the good guy to make a decision like does the Gary busey character get killed or something like that, because sometimes that happens where they the the team ratchets up to some level unacceptable crime.

Avish Parashar: And the good guys like Well, no, I think there's a couple ways to go, I think.

Avish Parashar: I think either yeah they ratchet up the crime, and I think that kind of happens in point break I forget exactly what the shoots bore there's like a third.

Avish Parashar: group or something, and so, like the bad guys that the heroes close to.

Avish Parashar: Still, a criminal but it's sort of redemptive like I think in both important break like kiana let's.

Avish Parashar: Patrick swayze surf away I think yeah I think I forget we kind of hang out at the end, but like vin diesel I think gets away so there's like that the bad guys get stopped, but I think the main mentor guy kind of gets away or the hero, let them get away.

Michael Worth: yeah yeah exactly and then I think um I think the people that we want to play i'll play PG were like the criminals do end up getting arrested.

Avish Parashar: not killed listed like maybe the main guy gets like.

Avish Parashar: The other thing I think that's critical to this genre is a.

Avish Parashar: fun thing.

Michael Worth: To do it's.

Avish Parashar: it's our crack know is part of it is like pulling behind the curtain, so you really learn about the world of drag racing or skydiving or surfing so there's some minutiae in there about the culture and.

Avish Parashar: The activity and.

Avish Parashar: To an outside observer it's almost ridiculous right like I live my life quarter mile of a time and.

Avish Parashar: You know the the obsession they have with surfing like so it's all it's kind of over the top there's like a.

Avish Parashar: Like they're not actually playing it for laughs, but I think part of the appeal of like a point break this many years later, is it's sort of ridiculous.

Michael Worth: It really is over the top espn ridiculous the over the top soundtrack is also a ton of fun like.

Avish Parashar: Oh yeah.

Michael Worth: Oh God it's great man it's like you know funny enough, you know weird way top gun has some elements of this point break because of the adrenaline junkie kind of thing more of.

Avish Parashar: It I just don't have the undercover bit, but yeah the adrenaline junkie the whole that whole thing is there and don't worry, we are on episode coming.

Michael Worth: Oh baby I.

Avish Parashar: went to the other depending when this drops maybe the top episode already came I don't.

Michael Worth: Whatever so.

Michael Worth: This is.

Michael Worth: This is not citizen kane or you know touch of evil you.

Avish Parashar: Know it's.

Avish Parashar: it's barely Harry and the hendersons.

Michael Worth: speed of which.

Michael Worth: An awful thing improvising a movie the style of chinatown oh God oh.

God.

Michael Worth: alright.

Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)

Avish Parashar: So that brings us to segment two.

Avish Parashar: Alright, so now we're gonna spend five minutes hashing out a high level outline number one we use a four act structure similar three x we just split the log act three into two parts and.

Avish Parashar: This is the outline we're going to roughly follow but improv being what it is we may abandon it here on.

Michael Worth: to it, who knows exactly it's.

Michael Worth: Our rights.

Avish Parashar: Alright, so now the duck timer for five minutes.

Michael Worth: Yes.

Avish Parashar: And away we go.

Avish Parashar: Alright, so we often start, we always start with either prologue or trailer yep.

Michael Worth: The prologue could be a them doing their first crime right that could be like kind of like.

Avish Parashar: We don't actually meet the hero, we just see the crime.

Avish Parashar: I think that's good.

Michael Worth: To prologue yeah.

Avish Parashar: prologue short prologue with the crime yep.

Avish Parashar: Just one we got to meet our hero main character yep.

Avish Parashar: We got it he's got to learn about the crime and then that oh it's it's probably you know these type of people yep.

Michael Worth: So, so in act one he'll probably end up getting paired with a senior guy that's where he discovers because he's a new he's a new law enforcement so pair with the senior guy who's been tracking the crimes and then figures out.

Michael Worth: Oh it's probably like you said this particular adrenaline junkie team right.

Avish Parashar: And then he's got a I think act one kind of ends with him.

Avish Parashar: meeting and getting in with the team, so we can meet them and then maybe as a past whatever little like initiation type test like Oh, you know show us, you can search for shows this you know kind of yeah they kind of sort of passively accept him into the group.

Michael Worth: yeah exactly yeah yeah, but at this point he they none of them knows anything about anybody else but they don't know he doesn't know that there, possibly the criminals, they don't know that he's an FBI agent or.

Avish Parashar: yeah he just trying to meet some you know surfers and.

Avish Parashar: and get it with them, so he does yep then an act to I think this is where maybe you get like the red herring like the red hot chili peppers thing.

Avish Parashar: where he thinks he knows who it is and he's sort of investigates and he's also learning more about the craft of this activity and getting more ingratiated with the group.

Michael Worth: yeah yeah I agree a hill also make enemies and allies within the group there's going to be one guy that doesn't like him.

Avish Parashar: Oh there's always want to do it, it doesn't trust them or like i'm yep.

Michael Worth: yep and.

Avish Parashar: oftentimes it's like the acts of the.

Avish Parashar: romance.

Michael Worth: romance interest yes and it's like the second in command usually right it's almost it yeah second in command right yeah lieutenant so that's going to be the tests allies and enemies portion right.

Avish Parashar: cold I think act to will end right around with him discovering that his group is the.

Avish Parashar: bad guys yep yep exactly.

Michael Worth: So at three is going to be him drawn into the committing of the crimes while at the same time trying to get enough evidence or find a way to bring them to justice so he's he's going deeper into the rabbit hole right.

Avish Parashar: yeah I think also didn't happen is maybe somewhere in act three enact at the end of Act two he discovered that this is the gang but maybe he doesn't have enough evidence right, but then in act three the gang discovers that he's an undercover COP.

Michael Worth: And now there's no yeah yep.

Avish Parashar: they're going to force him into their plan otherwise they're gonna expose him kill him kill the love interest whatever mm hmm yep that's it that's.

Michael Worth: All these are all correct everything you say is correct, so act for is the final crime final heist or whatever it's going to be a with the hero trying to you know escape the snarl that they've been trapped in for the crime and bring everyone to justice.

Avish Parashar: yeah I feel like act, I mean there's two ways of going either act for can be him, no longer part of the group and trying to stop their crime or at for can be him part of them kind of.

Avish Parashar: times I feel like I can point break I feel like.

Avish Parashar: Act for was like a separate thing I don't I never saw the end in a long time so.

Michael Worth: I must be basically be the final crime, however, that plays out there can be a file crime yep.

Avish Parashar: And he's also to an extent I think he's got to deal with his conflict of saving his reputation as a cop stopping the crime but also dealing with his own emotions about the appeal of this adrenaline activity in groups.

Michael Worth: So much character nuance in this kind of film I, who would have thunk it.

Avish Parashar: I know.

Avish Parashar: Like Hamlet baby dimensions.

Michael Worth: Oh, my God dimensions baby, let me tell you this this depth depth.

Avish Parashar: I mean it's pretty straightforward there's got to be, and it does have a little bit of nuance between character interaction and kind of you know, some of the, how do you get out of the situation, but overall it's pretty straightforward yeah.

Avish Parashar: This is not rocket law enforcement guy.

Avish Parashar: got to go into the group gets in with the things there okay discovers they're bad they discover scenes a cop, then big finish yep.

Michael Worth: Clarity and high jinks ensue all right good we're ahead of ahead of the duck let's do it.